Electrical Installation Certificate info required!!

[NUTTER]

This is my first thread on the site and I am desperately hoping someone can point me in the right direction!!

2 years ago I had a small extension built to the rear of my property which is now being used as my kitchen. A family friend attended during the build phase and he was responsible for installing all the new sockets, lights, switches and general electric supply throughout the extension.

My wife and I have recently considered selling the property and as a result our local building inspector was contacted in order to sign the work off. The inspector attended and explained that before he could sign the work off he required us to install and extractor fan and he also wished to see the electrical installation certificate.
As stated above the family friend who completed the electrical work is competent but not qualified thus a certificate cannot be obtained from him. As a result I contacted a qualified electrician who attended my address and installed the extractor fan. I explained to the electrician that we also required a certificate regarding all the electrics in the extension and he agreed to issue one once he had checked all the work to establish if it is safe etc.
The electrician has issued me with a minor domestic electrical installation works certificate and he expalined that this would suffice.
Is this correct and will the building inspector accept this certificate? if not how can I obtain an electrical installation certificate?

Please advise me ASAP

Thanks

[Ohmslaw]

Hi.

The type of certificate would depend on the extent of the work that was done by the friend of yours.

Basically if any new circuits were installed into your extension from your consumer unit then a Minor Works is not suitable and an Electrical Installation Certificate should have been issued.

However if it was only altering or extending existing cicuits into the extension the a Minor Works is ok, one for each circuit altered though.

The main point is that the electrician you called in to test can ONLY issue a Periodic Inspection Report for the existing works as he did not carry out the work himself in the beginning.

It sounds like the electrician has given you a cert for installation of the extract fan and nothing else.

[dsb electrical]

hi ohmslaw is totally correct in what he is saying also a problem of obtaining a part p cert which came into force in 2005 every circuit modified should be signed off lucky for you the building control can undertake this for you at a cost

[NUTTER]

Thanks for the replies!!

Can I just clarify, if each new socket and light switch etc in the new extension has been rigged up from an excisiting circuit from other parts of the house then I can get an electrician to check each socket etc and issue me with a periodic inspection certificate or minor works certificate for each socket and will this suffice or will the building inspector still require an electrical installation certificate??

Im just a little concerned that whoever comes to check the electrics still isnt the one who has installed them and wont be able to certify the work!!

I'll be honest, my building inspector is very difficult (and obnoxious!) and I just want to be armed with all the correct documentation for when he returns.

[Ohmslaw]

Hi.

I've got ot be honest you are in between a rock and a hard place. The only lawfully obtainable cert open to you now is a Periodic Inspection Report and some LBC's may or may not accept this and therefore may not issue you with your compliance certificate.

At the end of the day the correct channels should have been followed at the time of the work to avoid instances such as this.

Best thing to do is be totally up front with the inspector, tell him you dont have an EIC and see what he says. I'm afraid it may end up costing you though.

[Lou7]

Just get an electrician to do a Periodic Inspection Report and you should be OK.Don't say anything to the council fella, the work could of been done anytime even before you lived there !!

[Greg]

However if it was only altering or extending existing cicuits into the extension the a Minor Works is ok, one for each circuit altered though.

As far as I know the kitchen is classed as a special location so a minor works wouldn't be accepted even if he did extend the existing ring. A problem many kitchen fitters are trying to get around by doing Part P.


Just get an electrician to do a Periodic Inspection Report and you should be OK.Don't say anything to the council fella, the work could of been done anytime even before you lived there !!

As ohmslaw stated above this is the only option now but its not a certificate and if there are any remedials to be done then it would need sorting before the council inspector could sign the job off. Nutter needs his extension signing off so the council know the electrics are new in there so he will need a Electrical Installation Certifiate. Basically Nutter you need an Electrician who can test the work done and would be happy to pass the job off as his own and issue you with a EIC.

[NUTTER]

Basically Nutter you need an Electrician who can test the work done and would be happy to pass the job off as his own and issue you with a EIC.

Is there any sparkies in the Preston area of Lancs on this site that is willing to do this for us?!!!:lol:

[max power]

TO solve your problem you will need a PERIODIC INSPECTION REPORT AND A SCHEDULE OF INSPECTIONS AND A SCHEDULE OF TEST RESULTS should accompany the p.i.r and that should be enough for your concil friend

[max power]

TO solve your problem you will need a PERIODIC INSPECTION REPORT AND A SCHEDULE OF INSPECTIONS AND A SCHEDULE OF TEST RESULTS should accompany the p.i.r and that should be enough for your concil friend it should cost you about £80 -£100 you will need a person with a 2391 in inspection and testing and he can this no problem for you

[NUTTER]

Cheers for that, I'll have to ring my sparkie again and see what he can do.

The quicker I get it sorted and get the house up for sale the better!!

[ringworm29]

hi ,,no problems so long who ever does it, is part p approved, and willing to confirm he has installed the new wiring to the extension.

no corgi or similar gas inspector would say he installed gas piping and definitely would not sign it off.

remember lads it,s took us years to know this trade and how to keep it safe.

qualed to cg2400 .but what do I know.

[Central Scrutinizer]

As far as I know the kitchen is classed as a special location so a minor works wouldn't be accepted even if he did extend the existing ring. A problem many kitchen fitters are trying to get around by doing Part P.

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The MEIWC (minor works) is the appropriate form if an exisiting circuit is altered/extended, regardless of where it is.

A kitchen is not a 'special location' (as under BS7671) but an area of 'increased risk' (under Part P of the Building Regs 2000), this means that altering an circuit within it changes it from being 'non-notifiable' to 'notifiable' work under Part P, but an MEIWC would still be the correct electrical form to use

[Ohmslaw]

The MEIWC (minor works) is the appropriate form if an exisiting circuit is altered/extended, regardless of where it is.

Absolutely so.